Curse

Selket · Apr 14, 2009, 09:37 PM // 21:37

step 1 Press button do big damage
step 2 press other button to not take big damage

special intermediate step is to not be bad

there's no such thing as over or underusing something its more like being bad or not being bad. In this case, either way is being bad.

Master Fuhon · Apr 14, 2009, 09:56 PM // 21:56

If you overuse frenzy, it’s because you see your enemies as being vulnerable and not yourself. If you underuse it, you see yourself as being too vulnerable to be attacking your enemies.

If you balance the ability to see your own weaknesses and those of your opponent, you would use it just right. However, that’s the rarest scenario. The warrior class has always been played better by the more aggressive types who overused the skill. This is because you can find a good monk to watch your back. The balanced warrior who uses the skill at the appropriate times only would be wasting the capabilities of a good monk.

If you are an under-user of frenzy, perhaps the warrior class is not your personal best fit. Your ability to spot weaknesses instead of attacking points might serve you better in a more defensive role.

Winterclaw · Apr 14, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

If you aren't being attacked and don't think you are about to be spiked, use frenzy. If you are being attacked or think you might be spiked, cancel.

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 15, 2009, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

The balanced warrior who uses the skill at the appropriate times only would be wasting the capabilities of a good monk.

this implies that it is good to use frenzy at inappropriate times.
with a good monk there will be more times which are appropriate for the use of frenzy, but a good warrior would still only use frenzy at these appropriate times.
i think what you meant was, "the balanced warrior who uses the skill only at the times which would be appropriate with a less-than-good monk would be wasting the capabilities of a good monk". i would agree with this.

Catchphrase · Apr 15, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

^ Oh yeah old Spirit Bond + Protective Spirit on a frenzy warrior...

Master Fuhon · Apr 15, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

this implies that it is good to use frenzy at inappropriate times.
with a good monk there will be more times which are appropriate for the use of frenzy, but a good warrior would still only use frenzy at these appropriate times.
i think what you meant was, "the balanced warrior who uses the skill only at the times which would be appropriate with a less-than-good monk would be wasting the capabilities of a good monk". i would agree with this.

That wasn't what I meant, but I guess I wasn't clear. If you define times to use frenzy as appropriate, then it is also quite possible your opponent does as well. Therefore you would be going into a match both with the same definitition of when appropriate times to use frenzy are.

Thus, to catch your opponent with the same knowledge base off guard, you use your definition of lesser-appropriate times to use frenzy (or even a few completely inappropriate times) until your opponent catches on. Many opponents give up and define an enemy as unpredictable or random. To be called such things is to be given an advantage where opponents aren't looking so closely at what your strategy is.

You have an advantage of communicating this with your monk long before the other team can catch on. However, I don't know whether to fully consider this the PvE section or the Warrior section; but when it comes to opponents who do not adapt you might have to do things at appropriate times.

Fleeting · Apr 17, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Honestly, overuse of Frenzy is going to result in death. It's going to be best if you just use stance canceling well via [Dash] or [Rush].

Edit: Underuse of Frenzy doesn't result in DP and you can still kill people with very little pressure, provided your team spikes well. If I absolutely had to pick one, I would say underuse is better than overuse, as underuse does not result in death / huge wastes of monk energy.

Owik Gall · Apr 18, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

That depends on your build, but for the most part don't use it so much. Especially if you're targeted. Make a build so that you can cope with less usage of Frenzy and still be an effective warrior.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 18, 2009, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

The warrior class has always been played better by the more aggressive types who overused the skill.

Absolutely very much this.

Although today I ran into a poor girl who activated primal rage immediately after devastating hammer and directly before crushing blow, then ran from an 80 damage hammer bash straight into a 152 damage bull's strike.

Being aggressive is good, but guide it with intelligence...

A sword thrust is good, but not straight into a shield.

I don't overuse frenzy because hammers are better than axes.

Rhamia Darigaz · Apr 19, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

That wasn't what I meant, but I guess I wasn't clear. If you define times to use frenzy as appropriate, then it is also quite possible your opponent does as well. Therefore you would be going into a match both with the same definitition of when appropriate times to use frenzy are.

Thus, to catch your opponent with the same knowledge base off guard, you use your definition of lesser-appropriate times to use frenzy (or even a few completely inappropriate times) until your opponent catches on. Many opponents give up and define an enemy as unpredictable or random. To be called such things is to be given an advantage where opponents aren't looking so closely at what your strategy is.

You have an advantage of communicating this with your monk long before the other team can catch on. However, I don't know whether to fully consider this the PvE section or the Warrior section; but when it comes to opponents who do not adapt you might have to do things at appropriate times.

i know what you mean, but if using frenzy at an "inappropriate" time is beneficial it isn't really an inappropriate time, it just isn't a text-book-defined time. by the definition of inappropriate it's never good to do something at an inappropriate time and if it's a good time to do something it's not inappropriate.

qvtkc · Apr 20, 2009, 12:31 PM // 12:31

If you can overuse Frenzy, your team sucks.

jimmyboveto · May 06, 2009, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I think it all depends. Although the golden rule of using frenzy is to not use it while taking damage, there are some exceptions...

1. If your monk is doing fine and doesn't mind having to spend the extra energy, then by all means use it. It will make the battle go faster.

2. If you see an enemy that you can finish off in a couple seconds, then use it. Even if you take a lot of damage, you will likely prevent more damage by killing that enemy.

3. Finally, if you are taking very light damage then it usually doesn't hurt to use it.

The main thing, imo, is that you should be careful while using it when facing a team that consists of spike builds. A frenzied warrior is fairly easy to spike.

Paul Dawg · May 07, 2009, 06:26 AM // 06:26

Yeah, if you manage to KD him while he's frenzied, he can be blasted so hard while he's down that he might never get up. It's fun.

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Originally Posted by jimmyboveto

A frenzied warrior is fairly easy to spike.

kupp · May 07, 2009, 11:15 AM // 11:15

I don't get along well with frenzy, too often I get an someone off the screen hitting me while I still have it on and the damage is dealt. I kinda got used to [[flail] + [[rush] and a spear if I need one or two strikes to activate them.

Yichi · May 07, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

If I am running through PvE, I press frenzy as soon as it recharges. All my monks have prot spirit

In PvP, I use it when I fell I will have the most control to achieve the best outcome.

superraptors · May 18, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

its alright spamming it if ur dropping the oppenent like flies
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Reverend Dr · May 18, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

There is no such thing as overusing frenzy.

This is the mindset of warriors that do damage. If you don't have this mindset accept that you are forever going to be doing tank and spank.